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The use of the word "azra" instead of "Hazara" among Hazaras to refer to themselves.

In the Etymology section of the article it claims that Hazaras use the word "azra" to refer to themselves. I see it uses a secondary source for this claim. But a primary source on this topic I have discrovered, "The Races Of Afghanistan by H. W. Bellew" records that Hazaras in the late 1800s never refered to themselves as "hazara" and it is external word that outsiders call Hazaras. They refered to themselves as simply what tribe they are from. So I believe this "azra" word, anecdotally speaking as a hazara, is unheard off ontop of being a novelty with no historical basis. This is all my belief of course backed by a primary acccount. Mioncraft (talk) 02:42, 31 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ross E. Denison in his introduction notes to Dughlat's Tarikh-i rashidi mentions that "Hazara" has no "racial consideration" to it and means "Hill-men" or "mountaineer". Bacon in her work makes the same observation that it means something akin to "Mountain tribal" and is word that is used for other ethinc groups also if they are mountain tribal. Though they both acknowledge that in the modern era the term "Hazara" is a word reserved for the people who live within Central Afghanistan now. Mioncraft (talk) 11:34, 7 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hazaras are evidently descendants of the Kushan people 2403:4800:3414:9500:10D4:8010:6B47:D55E (talk) 11:25, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Source? --HistoryofIran (talk) 11:50, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It is generally agreed that the Kushans were a people of Tocharian origin. If not, it is universally accepted that they were a phenotypically Caucasian Indo-European group. This would mean they most likely resembled the modern-day Nuristani or Pamiri, not the Hazara.

The first mention of the Hazaras was by Babur in his autobiography, "Baburnama," where he notes that the Hazaras speak "Mogholi." Most historians agree that the 16th century marks the period when the Hazaras emerged as a distinct ethnic group.
Faiz Muhammad Kateb, a Hazara historian, in his book on Afghanistan’s history, Siraj al-Tawarikh, notes that he is from the tribe of "Muhammad Khwajah," a Timurid/Mughal nobleman and commander-in-chief of Babur’s army from the Mongol Barlas tribe. He further mentions that his father’s name was "Said Muhammad Moghol."
In his book, Kateb also records that about 10,000 families in Ghazni, referred to as "Hazara e Jaghato," spoke Mongolian. This was in the late 1800s.

Considering this, it should be sufficient to prove that the Hazaras are of Mongol origin, particularly through the Timurids, Chagatais, and Ilkhanates. I would recommend Elizabeth Bacon's work on this subject. Mioncraft (talk) 03:04, 11 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The origins of the Hazara people have not been fully reconstructed. Genetic and linguistic analyses describe Hazaras as an ethnically mixed group, with varying degrees of ancestry linked to contemporary Turkic, Mongolic, and Iranic populations. phenotypically, Hazaras share a common racial structure and physical resemblance with the Turkic people of Central Asia.

The first mention of the Hazaras was by Babur in his autobiography, Baburnama, also he notes the Hazaras as Turkic (Turkoman Hazaras).
"Emir Muhammad Khwaja belonged to the Timurid Barlas confederation. His ancestral homeland is Kesh, in present day Uzbekistan. Emir Muhammad Khwaja was the son of Emir Haji Saifuddin who was wazir of Timur, and the Barlas, the Mughal dynasty, and the Timurid dynasty were Turkic in every way.
The "Muhammad Khwaja Hazaras" spoke the Chagatai language, a Turkic language of the Karluk branch, which was completely a Turkic language.--203.171.100.182 (talk) 10:04, 9 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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I want to include the total population of Hazaras "c. 10-12 million"^[1] according to the source in the article.--Snaretusk (talk) 10:53, 15 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Ultraodan (talk) 09:07, 29 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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1. Under 20 and 21st century, I'm requesting to add further information about the Mazar-e Sharif massacre and link the wiki page to it (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998_Mazar-i-Sharif_massacre). The main source for the massacre is from Human Rights Watch.

https://www.hrw.org/legacy/reports98/afghan/Afrepor0.htm

2. I'm requesting to add a separate section about Hazara embroidery, which is an important part of Hazara culture.

Sources: https://trc-leiden.nl/trc-needles/regional-traditions/iranian-plateau/hazara-embroidery-afghanistan

https://camilcollection.com/blog#:~:text=The%20Hazaras%20from%20central%20Afghanistan,work%20rather%20than%20freestyle%20embroidery.

https://www.vam.ac.uk/event/R7BV5VdP7L/hazara-dress-and-embroidery-from-afghanistan?srsltid=AfmBOop450aRPlfbkVRbiIUgL_1dYvAdZ3kwdk02zT-_c0ab5NXQ0Y2m

https://www.womenrise.art/story/hazara-artist-latifa-attaii

Thank you. Tigerlily143 (talk) 05:53, 22 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]