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Placement dispute

Hi. I placed this template on the article Conspiracy theory because I believe it is not neutral. User:Beyond My Ken removed it with the rationale, "No support for NPOB tag on talk page". It is my understanding that is not a reason to remove it per this template's guidance.

I reverted indicating Beyond My Ken doesn't WP:OWN the article, but the user reverted again, with the rationale, "The tag should not represent a single editor's viewpoint, it should reflect that a significant percentage of the editors discussing the issue agree that there is a neutrality problem -- that isw most definitely NOT the case here. Do not resore unless you have that". But according to the lead of this template, "Place this template on an article when you have identified a serious issue of balance and the lack of a WP:Neutral point of view, and you wish to attract editors with different viewpoints to the article." It doesn't say I must seek consensus first to add it.

Advice is welcome. Regards, Thinker78 (talk) 06:13, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Tags should not be used to express personal dissatisfaction with an article. Instead, clear reasons for the tag need to be provided on article talk. Documentation does not cover obvious things such as the fact that of course consensus is needed for anything in an article, including a tag. The discussion at Talk:Conspiracy theory#Lead is not neutral and article maybe is not does not support your position. By the way, some thought would show that accusing another editor of OWNING an article is not appropriate given that you seem to think you OWN the right to insert a tag. Johnuniq (talk) 07:36, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Johnuniq I literally followed the guidance of this template, therefore i thought it was inappropriate to remove it and indicated to Beyond My Ken that they don't own the article. I tried following this template's guidance when adding the tag. Beyond My Ken in my opinion did not. Because the template guidance clearly talks in a singular you that places the tag, it doesn't indicate that I must seek consensus to add it because it is actually a tag to seek consensus. Therefore, you appear to have a circular argument. Regards, Thinker78 (talk) 23:17, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I have mixed feelings regarding Johnuniq's response to you, so I'll just say that while technically you aren't required to start a discussion regarding your POV concerns either before or after adding this tag, I think the instructions make it pretty clear that adding the tag without any supporting discussion at the Talk page may result in other editors removing it, similarly without discussion.

As such, if you have legitimate concerns about the POV on that article, I would encourage you to start a discussion at the article's Talk page and then add the tag, perhaps after waiting a couple of days to see how other editors feel regarding your concerns. However, if the Talk page discussion that Johnuniq linked to already addresses the neutrality concerns that you intended to highlight, then it would seem that there's already a consensus that the neutrality is not an issue. DonIago (talk) 14:20, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with your explanation, in fact it's obviously correct. No one needs to get permission to edit an article or to add a tag. However, no one needs permission to revert an edit or remove a tag. After that, discussion and consensus is required. Johnuniq (talk) 23:26, 2 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"T:POV" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect T:POV has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 February 13 § T:POV until a consensus is reached. Utopes _{(talk / cont)} 14:42, 13 February 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request to complete TfD nomination

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Template:POV has been listed at Templates for discussion (nomination), but it was protected, so it could not be tagged. Please add:

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to the top of the page to complete the nomination. Thank you. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 🛸 20:59, 10 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Done jlwoodwa (talk) 02:44, 12 March 2025 (UTC)[reply]